From: John Santore To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: #p/g! replies... Status: RO Well I don't much read the NMS anymore, but I do grep it occasionally to see what people are saying bout us these days. I figured I'd reply to the posts below regarding IRC and those assholes on #p/g! > From: Barry > > On EFnet, #p/g! is not a rush channel, it is the channel for an obnoxious > > clique who does their best to make everyone else feel very unwelcome. We're whatever we want to be. As with any group, the members have the right to define the nature of their existence. In our case, we've been around for something like 5 years, and have pretty much talked Rush issues into the ground. Believe it or not (and maybe the more rabid fanatics among you, won't), you can only talk about the same thing so much. So consequently, although we were originally founded as a Rush channel, unless something of interest comes up, we don't usually talk about Rush. Coming in and demanding the conversation switch to dead horse Rush topics is just about as obnoxious to us as being kicked off is to you. > and then the rush-mgr wrote: > > [ That's a matter of opinion. I've hung out on #p/g! before without any > > problems. True, some of the people on there are friends on a personal > > level so the discussions do tend to go away from Rush. :rush-mgr ] Like I said, we have been around for quite some time, so as the Rush-mgr (Jimmy this time, I believe :-) said, a lot of it is a bunch people friends bullshitting on a personal level. > Umm... maybe you haven't been there for a while, or maybe you get special > treatment because you are the rush-mgr... but #p/g! is one of the least I don't recall Jimmy ever getting special treatment :-) > friendly channels I've ever seen. I used to administrate a major IRC > server that supported over 900 clients every night, and I am a well-liked > regular on dozens of channels, so I am no stranger to IRC or IRC We're impressed, really. > etiquitte either. I've visited #p/g! many times in hopes of joining in > on the conversation (yes, I know they don't always talk about rush... I > wasn't trying to talk about rush with them...) and was completely ignored > by everyone in the channel. The only one who ever even said hi to me was Probably because you didn't say anything of consequence. Just because you hop on doesn't mean we're required to speak with you. I mean look at it this way. You walk into a room where a conversation is taking place and suddenly break out with 'How you folks doing?'. They are all wrapped up in their conversation. In one way, you're the one with the rude behavior. Generally (and for such an IRC veteran you should know this), it's considered good form to observe for a bit, get a feel for the flow of the conversation and then say something pertinent. Why is that considered good form? Because you probably will be ignored/kicked/told off otherwise, since you're clearly not adding anything. > another 'new' person who had joined the channel (who was, consequently, > also being given the silent treatment.) I've spoken with many others who > experienced similar rudeness by the people on #p/g!. I have no problem Probably because they also weren't adding the the conversation. We've had plenty of new people join over time. And strangely enough, they seem very loyal. So maybe your approach was at fault. Maybe we just see no need to cater to every new guy that comes on. > with it if the people there want to keep their channel to themselves, but > they shouldn't call themselves the official rush irc channel in that case. What the hell do YOU care what we call ourselves? You don't hang out here. Besides, what does it mean to be 'official' on IRC, since there's no governing body, there's nothing stopping you from declaring yourself anything you like. You can be the official booger eating channel if you like. Don't matter to me :-) But further, the random splinter channels (largely of #p/g! rejects of course :-) of #yyz and #2112 aren't always around. It's a safe bet that at least someone will be around on #p/g! at any one time. So we are the most stable, been around the longest, etc. So in a way, regardless of what we discuss, what we declare, etc, we DO sort of have momentum on our side. > From: "Ruth Goodman" > Date: 12 Jul 1996 16:04:16 -0700 > Subject: P/G! IRC > > I just wanted to comment on... Oh boy, another satisfied customer... > Rush-mgr mentioned that this is a matter of opinion. It may be more a matter > of what time you go there. I have been on the channel SEVERAL times, and it Naw, we're consistently like that. > was horrible. I only tried to engage in regular "Hello there" type of > conversation. I was called a "Bitch", was kicked off several times right when > I entered, before even having a chance to say hello, etc. There are some very Gee life is rough. Maybe you have a thin skin and got offended by some random thing. Maybe you interrupted something else without waiting to follow the flow of the conversation. In short, maybe you were another one of those rude folks who decides to hop on and demand that what you want to talk about is what WE should talk about. Besides, we have low tolerance for stupid: "man Victor rocked". We've heard it a million times, have our own damn opinions, and don't see that as being particularly conducive to conversation. Besides, in my not so humble opinion, I think Victor pretty much sucked. So we don't really care what you have to add in that vein. > immature people who have bots going on that channel, and they kick anyone off, > or are mean to people who are not in their "clique." Very sophomorish stuff. Naw, we just kick people off when they 1) act moronic 2) come on spewing rush crap we've already heard before as though it were the greatest thing since sliced bread 3) for no reason other than we feel like it. We kick the 'clique' people off too for bullshit reasons as well. It's not like you hung out often enough to get to know what's going on there. And obviously you got repeatedly kicked for doing the same shit that got you kicked in the first place. And I always love people on the net with their holier than thou declarations of immaturity, etc. Whatever you say Mom. > I suggest channels YYZ and 2112. There are normally VERY cool Rush fans to > talk to on those channels. Everyone gets ops on YYZ. It's a real family Great, go there, and shut up, eh? You found a niche you like, and we have the niche WE like. What's the problem? > feeling and it's great. Too bad about p/g! and the children who are usually > occupying it. Once again, Mother High Horse makes her presence known. And you wonder why we kick schmucks like you off in the first place... > Serious post from Ruth? Wassup wit dat? Gee, if this #p/g! bashing post is considered serious business, I don't even want to see what crap she posts when she isn't feeling so somber. > Always the loving, told the p/g! people I loved them and got kicked off, Rush > fan(atic) -Ruth And we feel so loved. If you joined saying something like that, I can see why we had a good laugh as we kicked you off. Look, folks, we don't pretend to be nice, friendly or any such, so why expect it. I *DO* like to think we're pretty interesting, though, in a bizarre off kilter kind of way. Plus we have a warped sense of humor that obviously appeals to the new people who DO join #p/g! and stick around, so we must be doing something right, at least internally. And we even talk about Rush now and again, but it sure isn't some kind of channel mandate. If you hop on #p/g! don't expect red carpet treatment, but chances are if you hang out long enough, you'll probably find out what it's appeal is. Maybe it's not for you, and maybe it is. But either way, don't take whatever happens there personally. I mean it's ONLY irc for chrissakes! And if you're not sure if you want to join, maybe it's not such a bad idea to /msg someone on the channel and see what is going on. My last word is this. One of those cheesy internet books they have out there did a brief blurb on us. It said something like this: Nominal Rush fan channel with plenty of Random Raunchy Rants. That's pretty close, really :-) -John Santore Slythex on IRC Grand High Asshole of #p/g! ============================================================================= John Santore "I could not love thee, so much, jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu loved I not honor more" jsbh@securities.com -Richard Lovelace http://www.securities.com:8000/~jsbh/home.html Go Flyers! Go Sabres! =============================================================================